Interesting article. As someone who is Pro-Choice, I appreciate the perspective offered. I will just note that I think an unapologetic pushing forward of the considerations in #3 and #4 will just lead to more losses at the poll, because even among the majority of Americans sympathetic to the Pro-Life view, you're going to find most of them hop off the train when it comes "no exceptions" style legislation.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Well researched and written. I appreciate your giving a deeper history of the abortion issue than most people know about today. I began covering 'abortion' arguments as a journalist in the 1960s. As an atheist at the time, it was obvious from state arguments that the 'pro-life' position was sorely lacking in its persuasive power. I remember reading and reporting on Justice Blackmun's majority opinion in Roe v. Wade. A part of the opinion stuck out to me then and still does. It became known as "Blackmun's Hole." He wrote - “If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the 14th Amendment.” The 'personhood' of the unborn has been established at many levels - including medically, scientifically, morally, ethically, and of course, biblically. The unborn are 'individual persons' from conception and should be protected by the 14th Amendment. Blackmun was right in writing that particular statement, even though he and the majority made the wrong decision. God, the Creator of life and Ultimate Judge, will make the final decision. Until that day comes, Christians must do better in presenting what is an obvious truth concerning when life and personhood begin. It will take the ability to present a cogent argument (apologetic) with a compassionate heart. Pro-abortion activists have slogans, but they lack sense. They lack logic and facts. That's where Pro-Life can gather strength for the battles ahead. Thank you again for your excellent article.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
You mut be a treasure trove of information. Would love to connect offline about it at some point. While there are so many angles to attack, the pro-life movement has never situated the abortion debate inside the sexual revolution writ large and the reality of competing worldviews. I know very few Christians (who don't immerse themselves in worldview issues as a matter of course) who could have an honest thoughtful conversation about feminism (especially Marxian feminism - my former "religion"), sexual freedom, and the logical consequences of abortion, commercial surrogacy, artificial wombs, and the next frontier - euthanasia. I was among the ill-equipped until the summer of 2022 after Roe was overturned. As I studied, I was surprised to see that so many try to defend the pro-life position inside a humanistic worldview - trying to persuade people who deny objective reality that human rights shouldn't be subjective. Pro-life can't exist inside an evolutionary worldview that denies the embodiment of a soul and spirit. It's the polar opposite of Christianity, so it's curious that we don't engage abortion at the worldview level.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Thank you, Kelley. I am an early boomer (1940s), so I've experienced a lot of what you mentioned - sexual revolution, God is dead, evolutionary perspective, etc. I hosted a talk show in the 1960s and early 70s along with my reporting work and we were talking about euthanasia back then. If God doesn't exist, what does it matter what people do? What's wrong with suicide or taking a life? For those who argue that a 'social construct' addresses that issue, I respond that they are not being logically consistent. They have to 'borrow' from theism in order to come up with a social position that finds anything good or bad. Travel to another part of the country or another country and you'll find a different construct. How can there be a right or wrong if people have no foundation for their position? Take God out of the equation and there is no good or evil. Certainly interesting times to be alive. Lots of work to be done to help those who are open to talking rather than shouting.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Now I need to search some archives and find those shows! I always crack up at people who say things are worse than they've ever been - they haven't read much history! That said, I don't know what's worse, the fact that we've been talking about it for so long (centuries) or that we're still talking about it. Things went off the rails a very long time ago as you said. What I really don't understand (except I do if you know what I mean) is why the church was so easily shnookered. There was significant falling away before the church growth movement, but that was a hot mess. I've been untangling a lot of things so I can better understand not just our current times, but also the trajectory of my own life. It's quite depressing if you don't take breaks. But, more interestingly, for me is your perspective on Christianity from an outsider's perspective, particularly as an atheist. What were you primary objections?
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
I thought of Christians as hypocritical, illogical, and ignorant. Many Christians called into my show to argue with me. I enjoyed bringing controversial guests on like Madalyn Murray O'Hair and Anton Szandor LaVey, along with Marxists, communists, leaders of far-left groups, etc. Christians did not have a clue how to have an intelligent discussion with them on air. That played into my continuing belief that they were basically ignorant people who got in the way of the rest of us 'enlightened' people doing what we wanted to do. Things changed, however, when I had a scientist on who was a Christian. His logic, knowledge, and kindness challenged me to discover whether there was something more to Christianity. I investigated truth claims for Christianity and came out the other side five months later - a Christian. One of the people who helped the most was a Christian apologist and theologian who was equipped to answer my continual barrage of questions about the authenticity of Scripture as an accurate archive of history. The most powerful argument, I discovered, was the accuracy of the accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection. It was then that I knew it was time to surrender to God. That was 1971 during the early days of the Jesus Movement. Great music, wonderful Bible studies, powerful preaching, stirring testimonies of God's faithfulness. Unfortunately, those days gave way to 'progressive' thinking within Christianity that has ruined the lives of many people, churches, and denominations. Jesus is building His Church and I trust Him to do it well. Much of what we think of as 'the church' most likely is not the Church our Lord is building. It's difficult to get an audience within Christianity these days because people love being lied to - just as the prophet Jeremiah said so many centuries ago. They want to be told everything is okay even as the world is crying out for help and God's anger grows. Yes, it is good to take brief breaks from the madness - but then back to work we go!
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Oh my ... O'Hair and LaVey are a lovely pair. You must have had great ratings! And your comments here are super helpful for me. Thank you so much for your thoughts... I'd love to know who was so instrumental for you if you're open to sharing. As for me, I was raised in a Christian home, but was very easily seduced into far left feminism in college. I couldn't ground my own beliefs and felt stupid. Moreover, I couldn't find any Christian capable of answering my questions, so I slid into the craziness. My aunt does laugh with now about my impassioned speeches over Christmas break echoing Andrea Dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon. I'm just glad the Internet was still largely in Al Gore's head back then so the evidence of my idiocy is nowhere to be found. :-) As for the progressives, it's not even Christianity. It's Me-anity - total garbage.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
The scientist I interviewed was Dr. Henry Morris. The apologist/theologian was Dr. Edward Hindson. They are both with the Lord now. I also was raised in a Christian home, but what I took away from my experiences led me to become involved in various Eastern religions through martial arts training. The step from Taoism and Buddhism to atheism was short and compatible. My parents heard me on the radio and prayed that God would reach me with the truth, which He did. One day on my talk show I dared God to sit in a chair across from me and be interviewed, if He existed. Silence. I then laughed and said that God must be sick or on vacation - or He didn't exist. God had the last laugh. He led me to be interested in inviting Dr. Morris to be on my show to talk about his plans to search for Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat. I thought he must be crazy to believe that stuff. What I didn't expect was to interview a Christian who was able to answer my questions from a scientific perspective. His knowledge and ability to speak logically surprised me. I interviewed another Christian later because of an unusual ministry he had through a Christian drive-in theatre. I met Dr. Hindson through him. They both were both helpful in answering my questions, which led to my being 'saved by grace through faith.' Each man brought 'reason' into every discussion. Their 'apologia' reached my mind - the Lord reached my heart and soul. I'm very pleased that God spoke to you as well. "The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few." We need more Christians like you who can speak truth to the spiritual needs of this generation.
The goal should have been abortion dying because it was no longer used, not necessarily its illegality. I’d have rather seen a nation who decried abortion and didn’t participate in it, than a nation who wanted it but could not get it. One deals with the heart, the other with debating in law courts. Unless the hearts of the people are changed, the war is already lost.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
When abortion was illegal, women didn't consider it a legitimate option, so it wasn't popular. Once it was not just legalized, but also celebrated, women came to view it not just as a legitimate choice, but the brave choice that helped them smash the patriarchy. I agree with your comment though - it's a heart problem but few have the courage to call it what it is and tackle it head on.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
It’s beyond sad that in the fight for some kind of identity, we sacrificed children. If the only way we can find value is by killing others, then it would be better to live believing you had no value.
Although I’m curious as to how you would respond to those who in my experience (which is very micro by the way) weren’t willing to negotiate with the pro-choice crowd, but celebrated men like Paul Hill, or went so far as to say that women who have ectopic pregnancies should ‘take one for the team’.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Yes, it is beyond sad ... indescribable really. As for ectopic pregnancies, they're not abortions. and abortion statutes don't actually apply to extrauterine pregnancies. During an ectopic pregnancy, the doctor removes a portion of the fallopian tube subject to rupture. That an embryo will not survive the surgery is a terrible tradeoff, but it's not an abortion. The same goes with a pregnant woman who requires a hysterectomy while pregnant due to growing tumors or something similar. The surgery is to remove the uterus, not to terminate the pregnancy. If the fetus cannot survive, it's another horrific tragedy, but it's not an abortion. I've had in depth conversations on this issue with a former abortionist, now pro-life OB/GYN, about surgery to save the life of the mother. She has clarified abortion is never required to save a mother's life; you always deliver with intent to resuscitate. Women aren't denied medical care in these situations, they and their growing baby are given the best medical care. That said 97% of abortions (or close to that number) are elective. Focusing on the outliers is a fools' game, on both sides.
The murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment is completely responsible for funding the greatest genocide of human beings ever called the voluntary murderous act of abortion. It is the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment who is the greatest enemy to humanity and the anti-abortion movement because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment has completely deceived the public with their completely false and corrupt "scientific authority" that abortion is a false "right" because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment falsely claims that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is a "partial human being" and not as full and complete as a born differentiated human being is. It is scientifically and objectively TRUE that there is NO abortion that is "medically necessary" as long as the health of BOTH the born pregnant woman and the human zygote/human fetus are EQUALLY CONSIDERED because BEST EFFORTS to sustain both the body and the life of the human zygote/human fetus CAN ALWAYS BE MADE and even if those attempts to sustain both the body and the life of the human zyogte/human fetus fail, NO voluntary murderous act of abortion has been peformed because the human zygote/human fetus would have died a natural death DESPITE BEST EFFORTS and NOT a death due to a voluntary murderous action like that of abortion. The corrupt murderous pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment continually utilizes the deceiving "medically necessary abortion" term in order completely deceive the public that abortions can be performed even when BOTH the health of the human zygote/human fetus and the born pregnant woman are EQUALLY CONSIDERED which is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY FALSE. The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument) which I COMPLETELY URGE EVERYONE TO READ, LEARN AND UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO COMPLETELY END THE VOLUNTARY MURDEROUS ACT OF ABORTION!
Abortion is a medical term used by medical providers to describe any pregnancy that does not result in a live or still birth. Anti-abortion activists use it differently. This leads to plenty of confusion.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
The murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment is completely responsible for funding the greatest genocide of human beings ever called the voluntary murderous act of abortion. It is the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment who is the greatest enemy to humanity and the anti-abortion movement because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment has completely deceived the public with their completely false and corrupt "scientific authority" that abortion is a false "right" because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment falsely claims that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is a "partial human being" and not as full and complete as a born differentiated human being is. It is scientifically and objectively TRUE that there is NO abortion that is "medically necessary" as long as the health of BOTH the born pregnant woman and the human zygote/human fetus are EQUALLY CONSIDERED because BEST EFFORTS to sustain both the body and the life of the human zygote/human fetus CAN ALWAYS BE MADE and even if those attempts to sustain both the body and the life of the human zyogte/human fetus fail, NO voluntary murderous act of abortion has been peformed because the human zygote/human fetus would have died a natural death DESPITE BEST EFFORTS and NOT a death due to a voluntary murderous action like that of abortion. The corrupt murderous pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment continually utilizes the deceiving "medically necessary abortion" term in order completely deceive the public that abortions can be performed even when BOTH the health of the human zygote/human fetus and the born pregnant woman are EQUALLY CONSIDERED which is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY FALSE. The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument) which I COMPLETELY URGE EVERYONE TO READ, LEARN AND UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO COMPLETELY END THE VOLUNTARY MURDEROUS ACT OF ABORTION!
Interesting article. As someone who is Pro-Choice, I appreciate the perspective offered. I will just note that I think an unapologetic pushing forward of the considerations in #3 and #4 will just lead to more losses at the poll, because even among the majority of Americans sympathetic to the Pro-Life view, you're going to find most of them hop off the train when it comes "no exceptions" style legislation.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Great article. I especially like your comment "no life is negotiable". Could be on a bumper sticker someday.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
When completely argumentless pro-abortionists claim "my body, my choice", we MUST COUNTER by saying "HIS AND HER BODY AND LIFE IS NOT YOUR CHOICE!".
Well researched and written. I appreciate your giving a deeper history of the abortion issue than most people know about today. I began covering 'abortion' arguments as a journalist in the 1960s. As an atheist at the time, it was obvious from state arguments that the 'pro-life' position was sorely lacking in its persuasive power. I remember reading and reporting on Justice Blackmun's majority opinion in Roe v. Wade. A part of the opinion stuck out to me then and still does. It became known as "Blackmun's Hole." He wrote - “If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the 14th Amendment.” The 'personhood' of the unborn has been established at many levels - including medically, scientifically, morally, ethically, and of course, biblically. The unborn are 'individual persons' from conception and should be protected by the 14th Amendment. Blackmun was right in writing that particular statement, even though he and the majority made the wrong decision. God, the Creator of life and Ultimate Judge, will make the final decision. Until that day comes, Christians must do better in presenting what is an obvious truth concerning when life and personhood begin. It will take the ability to present a cogent argument (apologetic) with a compassionate heart. Pro-abortion activists have slogans, but they lack sense. They lack logic and facts. That's where Pro-Life can gather strength for the battles ahead. Thank you again for your excellent article.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
You mut be a treasure trove of information. Would love to connect offline about it at some point. While there are so many angles to attack, the pro-life movement has never situated the abortion debate inside the sexual revolution writ large and the reality of competing worldviews. I know very few Christians (who don't immerse themselves in worldview issues as a matter of course) who could have an honest thoughtful conversation about feminism (especially Marxian feminism - my former "religion"), sexual freedom, and the logical consequences of abortion, commercial surrogacy, artificial wombs, and the next frontier - euthanasia. I was among the ill-equipped until the summer of 2022 after Roe was overturned. As I studied, I was surprised to see that so many try to defend the pro-life position inside a humanistic worldview - trying to persuade people who deny objective reality that human rights shouldn't be subjective. Pro-life can't exist inside an evolutionary worldview that denies the embodiment of a soul and spirit. It's the polar opposite of Christianity, so it's curious that we don't engage abortion at the worldview level.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Thank you, Kelley. I am an early boomer (1940s), so I've experienced a lot of what you mentioned - sexual revolution, God is dead, evolutionary perspective, etc. I hosted a talk show in the 1960s and early 70s along with my reporting work and we were talking about euthanasia back then. If God doesn't exist, what does it matter what people do? What's wrong with suicide or taking a life? For those who argue that a 'social construct' addresses that issue, I respond that they are not being logically consistent. They have to 'borrow' from theism in order to come up with a social position that finds anything good or bad. Travel to another part of the country or another country and you'll find a different construct. How can there be a right or wrong if people have no foundation for their position? Take God out of the equation and there is no good or evil. Certainly interesting times to be alive. Lots of work to be done to help those who are open to talking rather than shouting.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Now I need to search some archives and find those shows! I always crack up at people who say things are worse than they've ever been - they haven't read much history! That said, I don't know what's worse, the fact that we've been talking about it for so long (centuries) or that we're still talking about it. Things went off the rails a very long time ago as you said. What I really don't understand (except I do if you know what I mean) is why the church was so easily shnookered. There was significant falling away before the church growth movement, but that was a hot mess. I've been untangling a lot of things so I can better understand not just our current times, but also the trajectory of my own life. It's quite depressing if you don't take breaks. But, more interestingly, for me is your perspective on Christianity from an outsider's perspective, particularly as an atheist. What were you primary objections?
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
I thought of Christians as hypocritical, illogical, and ignorant. Many Christians called into my show to argue with me. I enjoyed bringing controversial guests on like Madalyn Murray O'Hair and Anton Szandor LaVey, along with Marxists, communists, leaders of far-left groups, etc. Christians did not have a clue how to have an intelligent discussion with them on air. That played into my continuing belief that they were basically ignorant people who got in the way of the rest of us 'enlightened' people doing what we wanted to do. Things changed, however, when I had a scientist on who was a Christian. His logic, knowledge, and kindness challenged me to discover whether there was something more to Christianity. I investigated truth claims for Christianity and came out the other side five months later - a Christian. One of the people who helped the most was a Christian apologist and theologian who was equipped to answer my continual barrage of questions about the authenticity of Scripture as an accurate archive of history. The most powerful argument, I discovered, was the accuracy of the accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection. It was then that I knew it was time to surrender to God. That was 1971 during the early days of the Jesus Movement. Great music, wonderful Bible studies, powerful preaching, stirring testimonies of God's faithfulness. Unfortunately, those days gave way to 'progressive' thinking within Christianity that has ruined the lives of many people, churches, and denominations. Jesus is building His Church and I trust Him to do it well. Much of what we think of as 'the church' most likely is not the Church our Lord is building. It's difficult to get an audience within Christianity these days because people love being lied to - just as the prophet Jeremiah said so many centuries ago. They want to be told everything is okay even as the world is crying out for help and God's anger grows. Yes, it is good to take brief breaks from the madness - but then back to work we go!
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Oh my ... O'Hair and LaVey are a lovely pair. You must have had great ratings! And your comments here are super helpful for me. Thank you so much for your thoughts... I'd love to know who was so instrumental for you if you're open to sharing. As for me, I was raised in a Christian home, but was very easily seduced into far left feminism in college. I couldn't ground my own beliefs and felt stupid. Moreover, I couldn't find any Christian capable of answering my questions, so I slid into the craziness. My aunt does laugh with now about my impassioned speeches over Christmas break echoing Andrea Dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon. I'm just glad the Internet was still largely in Al Gore's head back then so the evidence of my idiocy is nowhere to be found. :-) As for the progressives, it's not even Christianity. It's Me-anity - total garbage.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
The scientist I interviewed was Dr. Henry Morris. The apologist/theologian was Dr. Edward Hindson. They are both with the Lord now. I also was raised in a Christian home, but what I took away from my experiences led me to become involved in various Eastern religions through martial arts training. The step from Taoism and Buddhism to atheism was short and compatible. My parents heard me on the radio and prayed that God would reach me with the truth, which He did. One day on my talk show I dared God to sit in a chair across from me and be interviewed, if He existed. Silence. I then laughed and said that God must be sick or on vacation - or He didn't exist. God had the last laugh. He led me to be interested in inviting Dr. Morris to be on my show to talk about his plans to search for Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat. I thought he must be crazy to believe that stuff. What I didn't expect was to interview a Christian who was able to answer my questions from a scientific perspective. His knowledge and ability to speak logically surprised me. I interviewed another Christian later because of an unusual ministry he had through a Christian drive-in theatre. I met Dr. Hindson through him. They both were both helpful in answering my questions, which led to my being 'saved by grace through faith.' Each man brought 'reason' into every discussion. Their 'apologia' reached my mind - the Lord reached my heart and soul. I'm very pleased that God spoke to you as well. "The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few." We need more Christians like you who can speak truth to the spiritual needs of this generation.
The goal should have been abortion dying because it was no longer used, not necessarily its illegality. I’d have rather seen a nation who decried abortion and didn’t participate in it, than a nation who wanted it but could not get it. One deals with the heart, the other with debating in law courts. Unless the hearts of the people are changed, the war is already lost.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
When abortion was illegal, women didn't consider it a legitimate option, so it wasn't popular. Once it was not just legalized, but also celebrated, women came to view it not just as a legitimate choice, but the brave choice that helped them smash the patriarchy. I agree with your comment though - it's a heart problem but few have the courage to call it what it is and tackle it head on.
The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
It’s beyond sad that in the fight for some kind of identity, we sacrificed children. If the only way we can find value is by killing others, then it would be better to live believing you had no value.
Although I’m curious as to how you would respond to those who in my experience (which is very micro by the way) weren’t willing to negotiate with the pro-choice crowd, but celebrated men like Paul Hill, or went so far as to say that women who have ectopic pregnancies should ‘take one for the team’.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
Yes, it is beyond sad ... indescribable really. As for ectopic pregnancies, they're not abortions. and abortion statutes don't actually apply to extrauterine pregnancies. During an ectopic pregnancy, the doctor removes a portion of the fallopian tube subject to rupture. That an embryo will not survive the surgery is a terrible tradeoff, but it's not an abortion. The same goes with a pregnant woman who requires a hysterectomy while pregnant due to growing tumors or something similar. The surgery is to remove the uterus, not to terminate the pregnancy. If the fetus cannot survive, it's another horrific tragedy, but it's not an abortion. I've had in depth conversations on this issue with a former abortionist, now pro-life OB/GYN, about surgery to save the life of the mother. She has clarified abortion is never required to save a mother's life; you always deliver with intent to resuscitate. Women aren't denied medical care in these situations, they and their growing baby are given the best medical care. That said 97% of abortions (or close to that number) are elective. Focusing on the outliers is a fools' game, on both sides.
The murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment is completely responsible for funding the greatest genocide of human beings ever called the voluntary murderous act of abortion. It is the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment who is the greatest enemy to humanity and the anti-abortion movement because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment has completely deceived the public with their completely false and corrupt "scientific authority" that abortion is a false "right" because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment falsely claims that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is a "partial human being" and not as full and complete as a born differentiated human being is. It is scientifically and objectively TRUE that there is NO abortion that is "medically necessary" as long as the health of BOTH the born pregnant woman and the human zygote/human fetus are EQUALLY CONSIDERED because BEST EFFORTS to sustain both the body and the life of the human zygote/human fetus CAN ALWAYS BE MADE and even if those attempts to sustain both the body and the life of the human zyogte/human fetus fail, NO voluntary murderous act of abortion has been peformed because the human zygote/human fetus would have died a natural death DESPITE BEST EFFORTS and NOT a death due to a voluntary murderous action like that of abortion. The corrupt murderous pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment continually utilizes the deceiving "medically necessary abortion" term in order completely deceive the public that abortions can be performed even when BOTH the health of the human zygote/human fetus and the born pregnant woman are EQUALLY CONSIDERED which is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY FALSE. The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument) which I COMPLETELY URGE EVERYONE TO READ, LEARN AND UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO COMPLETELY END THE VOLUNTARY MURDEROUS ACT OF ABORTION!
Abortion is a medical term used by medical providers to describe any pregnancy that does not result in a live or still birth. Anti-abortion activists use it differently. This leads to plenty of confusion.
All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument).
The adjectives matter: spontaneous abortion is a miscarriage, not an intentional termination of a pregnancy for elective purposes.
The murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment is completely responsible for funding the greatest genocide of human beings ever called the voluntary murderous act of abortion. It is the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment who is the greatest enemy to humanity and the anti-abortion movement because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment has completely deceived the public with their completely false and corrupt "scientific authority" that abortion is a false "right" because the murderous corrupt pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment falsely claims that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is a "partial human being" and not as full and complete as a born differentiated human being is. It is scientifically and objectively TRUE that there is NO abortion that is "medically necessary" as long as the health of BOTH the born pregnant woman and the human zygote/human fetus are EQUALLY CONSIDERED because BEST EFFORTS to sustain both the body and the life of the human zygote/human fetus CAN ALWAYS BE MADE and even if those attempts to sustain both the body and the life of the human zyogte/human fetus fail, NO voluntary murderous act of abortion has been peformed because the human zygote/human fetus would have died a natural death DESPITE BEST EFFORTS and NOT a death due to a voluntary murderous action like that of abortion. The corrupt murderous pro-abortion medical/scientific establishment continually utilizes the deceiving "medically necessary abortion" term in order completely deceive the public that abortions can be performed even when BOTH the health of the human zygote/human fetus and the born pregnant woman are EQUALLY CONSIDERED which is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY FALSE. The "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete is fundamentally flawed because it DOES NOT scientifically and objectively PROVE that the undifferentiated human zygote/human fetus is as full and complete of a human being as a born differentiated human being is and the anti-abortion movement cannot completely defeat abortion when they continue to utilize the "human nature" anti-abortion argumentation of simply accepting all forms of the human being as equally full and complete. All pro-abortionists either incorrectly assert that the human zygote/human fetus is not a full complete human being but only a "partial human being" or incorrectly assert that born women have more and better rights than other human beings with the mathematically incorrect assertion that the "body" of a born woman supersedes BOTH the body AND the life of unborn WOMEN and MEN which are all completely finally countered by the energy argument against abortion right here in this link (https://theenergyargumentagainstabortion.substack.com/p/say-hello-to-the-energy-argument) which I COMPLETELY URGE EVERYONE TO READ, LEARN AND UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO COMPLETELY END THE VOLUNTARY MURDEROUS ACT OF ABORTION!